Haven’t you heard? The first International Swine Flu Conference ended August 21. What they talked about is alarming, to say the least.
Here is a link to the pdf file Jesse is referring to in the video:
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August 24, 2009
Plans to Take Children from Schools for Mass Vaccinations and Quarantines
Posted by Barbara Peterson under health, vaccines | Tags: evacuations, fema, quarantine, schools, swine flu conference, vaccinations |[6] Comments
August 25, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Let me state first that I like being prepared. I like the fact that I grow most of the food my family eats—organic, pesticide-free goodness. I like my privacy and I like the 2nd Amendment. I don’t like the Rockefellers and Kissinger, either. So, to comment (thank you, Barbara, for the opportunity to do so) on the video above:
Early on, Jesse asks why no one has heard of the conference. He cited Fox News and CNN. I don’t watch either or I would have noticed the omission, too. But when I typed in the name of the conference on a Yahoo! search engine, I find that the conference indeed was reported about either before or afterwards. NPR, PR Web, Online Journal, Bloomberg, Medical News Today, a Fox affiliate in Evansville OH, local news station in Kalamazoo MI, News-Medical-Net and Yahoo! Finance—all have write ups about the conference. I imagine one can find more citations using Google.
I work closely with various emergency response agencies in my area and we often participate in training exercises, including fire, explosions, haz mat incidents, and yes, epidemics. Much work goes into planning for contingencies, but not once have I heard that “shelter in place” (SIP) strategies for schools involve transporting victims (children) to say, FEMA concentration camps for execution, as Jesse would imply. Rather than have responses to natural and man-made disasters (tornadoes, hurricanes, terrorist attacks, etc.) similar to the one so grandiosely bungled by the last administration (to Hurricane Katrina), today’s emergency response personnel brainstorm endlessly. And yes, once some folks lose it during such a disaster, someone has to step up and contain and/or avert a subsequent disaster of civil “unrest” (ie, running amok and hurting others as well as themselves). Afterward, everyone picks up where they left off and moves ahead with their lives.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see anywhere in the .pdf of the conference where the Government is going to intern/kill whole populations in order to take over the world. That part is in Jesse’s mind. What I DO see is a reasonable approach to allow experts in emergency management fields to share ideas about what to do *if* a pandemic occurs.
But I’ve said it before and I say again, I don’t intend to take vaccinations, but only because in the past they have simply made me sick.
August 25, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Hi Thomas,
He has a legitimate concern. The government is not benign, and good citizens who only want the best can get caught in the trap of thinking they are doing good when all the time advancing a more sinister agenda.
Please read this article:
The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA) at http://farmwars.info/?p=1243. This act is a model for states to follow, and 39 have enacted legislation that mirrors it.
There is a link in the article to find out the power your state has in the event of a declared health emergency. I checked mine out, and they can do anything they want up to and including vaccinate you forcibly, take your home without compensation, kill you, experiment on you, and dispose of the remains with no liability. If you cannot locate the link in the article, let me know and I will.
August 26, 2009 at 6:25 am
Thanks, Barbara. I’ll give it a look-see.
I am still skeptical though, when I read a comment to this link describing human beings as a “wicked elite (reptilian bloodline, children of the serpent, Lucifers kids)…” That’s just plain nuts and doesn’t progress this particular cause among thinking people, even if true. Nevertheless, I shall study this information.
Regards
August 26, 2009 at 10:27 am
Barbara,
I was able to read the MSEHPA document you provided above. I also compared it to the Legislative Surveillance Table provided by the Center for Law & the Public’s Health (http://www.publichealthlaw.net/MSEHPA/MSEHPA%20Surveillance.pdf). From what I have read, my state has adopted 11 of MSEHPA provisions. Oregon has adopted only 2 (502 & 804); if more has been added, I could not find them. Of the 11 provisions Alabama has adopted, I comment briefly on 5 of them.
Part 405(a) (Termination of Declaration) mandates a 30-day limit on the entire Act itself unless renewed by the Governor. However, 405(c) states that the state legislature can override the Governor’s renewal *at any time*, even before the first 30 days are up. That’s a check on executive power I can live with.
Parts 501 (Emergency Measures re:Facilities or Materials) and 502 (Access to and Control of Facilities & Properties) are only valid until termination of the declared emergency. As stated above, 405(c) checks the executive branch *at any time*, so that this provision can be struck down quickly if abused by my Governor.
Part 604 (Isolation & Quarantine) states that failure to follow the Act’s provisions on such matter constitutes a misdemeanor—hardly the conclusion that many think to mean a round up and extermination of law-abiding citizens. Also, “quarantine” specifically includes “private homes”. 604(b)(5) states that once the threat of contagion has passed (no more than 30 days, as in Part 405 above), those quarantined “must be immediately released…” And even in quarantine, as 604(b)(6) states, adequate food, clothing and shelter must be provided. 604(c) says non-cooperation is still a misdemeanor.
Part 804 (Immunity for State/Private Actors) is only valid “except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct”.
Finally, Part 806 (Severablility) prompts me to call, write or visit my legislators to alert them to the provisions in this document. OpEds, blogs, etc. also work, but they should be framed logically and reasonable, and not in “sky is falling” terms that drown out legitimate concerns. To wit, some readers of this blog shouldn’t automatically rule out the left’s concerns about individual rights and freedoms either: the ACLU itself is fighting for reform of this document as it appears today. See
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/medical/14857res20020101.html
and click on the 4 links at the bottom of the article.
Established entities that have a long, proven track record of standing up for individuals’ rights and freedoms go a lot further than folks denouncing others as “Luficer’s kids” and such.
So, yes, I agree that governmental plans have been, are being and will be made to protect the public during a pandemic or epidemic; to not do so would be much, much worse. And yes, I have read the proof of such contingencies for myself and believe it to exist (I have even demanded my county heath department provide me with our county/state-specific documentation). This does not mean that I leap to the conclusion that the present administration or a “wicked elite” is hell bent on controlling the population via lab-concocted flu strains—without absolute proof (such as codified laws or legislation that spells it out in detail).
On a broader scale, I have always contended that it will not be the liberal left that takes our guns away, but the authoritative fetishists on the right who will do so. It’s not lost on me that it was a conservative presidential administration that initiated and enacted REX 84 (so-called FEMA camps); it was Reagan’s VP, Geo Bush I, who stated his desire for establishing a “New World Order” on Sept 11, 1990; and it was Bush’s feckless F1 whose administration enacted the most sweeping, un-Constitutional executive orders in this nation’s history such as the insane PATRIOT Act and the plethora of his infamous, law-ignoring “signing statements”. And while swine flu cases have been documented over and over again in the US, the present, more level-headed administration (but which has its own shortcomings) has yet to enact the more authoritative MSEHPA provisions, contrary to claims that the government would do so with the “first case” of H1N1. Nor did anyone who toted their guns to Clown Hall meetings get arrested for open carry if they weapons permits, concealed or not. (Think: what if liberals carrying “Death to Bush” signs had done so between 2001-2009? Does anyone seriously think that they would have gotten away with that? Pshaw.)
Scare tactics and fear mongering are not becoming of wise, thinking, concerned citizens. That is why I visited this site earlier in the year; the impending economic collapse inspired me to find better ways to conserve and protect myself and my loved ones. It is my hope that I can glean more of that thought-provoking, non-derisive commentary and wisdom here in the future, of which I earnestly hope we may cultivate as partners, one and all.
Peace,
Thomas
August 26, 2009 at 11:55 am
Hi Thomas,
Here is the link I was looking for:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/VaccinationLaws.html
You can check your own state’s laws at that page. The Oregon laws are very similar to the MSEHPA. Here is the Oregon link:
http://law.justia.com/oregon/codes/2007/vol11/433.html
It is titled Chapter 433 — Disease and Condition Control; Mass Gatherings; Indoor Air
August 26, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Thanks, Barbara. These are great links. There is indeed validity to claims that these provisions exist and are more or less in place should a pandemic occur. It is a pleasure to discuss this issue with you. You seem to appreciate my concerns and you do a very good job at providing folks with cited material. My hat’s off to you!
Let’s keep digging and sharing what we learn. Civil discourse demands no less.
Peace,
Thomas